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StueyG · Dec 22, 2010, 07:36 AM // 07:36

Those threads are way too hard to maintain. Raine had a team of people helping and he couldn't keep up. We had a ton of epic traders helping with it, and different people updating, and it is just too much work. Best bet would be doing the idea about posting basic items that could have some value. Just listing the random dungeon rare is not going to help what the OP stated.

Lyra Padfoot · Dec 22, 2010, 09:16 AM // 09:16

What about splitting the PC area somehow, perhaps martial weapons / shields / casting and offhands / minipets / other stuff. That way people could more easily find comparable items that have already been PC'd.

So, if for example I found a Celestial shield, I could look in the shield area for a comparable one before asking for even posting a PC request...

Bright Star Shine · Dec 22, 2010, 09:53 AM // 09:53

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Originally Posted by Lyra Padfoot

What about splitting the PC area somehow, perhaps martial weapons / shields / casting and offhands / minipets / other stuff. That way people could more easily find comparable items that have already been PC'd.

So, if for example I found a Celestial shield, I could look in the shield area for a comparable one before asking for even posting a PC request...

Minipet/other stuff already has a guide, although it's pretty outdated (some are januari 2010.. so)

But once I can find enough time, I'll try to make a "how to recognize merchfood" try-out, and I'll post it on here as a word doc, so you guys can alter it as well.. But that's gonna take me an hour at the least, so can't do it right now

SkyFallsInThunder · Dec 22, 2010, 11:04 AM // 11:04

Tons of PC requests for stuff that even the merch would think twice before accepting could be avoided if people would research their drops on wiki.

If it drops in many places, then it's a safe bet it's merch fodder.

How it dyes - stuff that dyes well is worth more than stuff that only dyes poorly, or not at all.

Req is important - the higher the req, the lower the price.

Max dmg or armor/en - if it does not have max and req is 9 or greater, it's merch fodder (precious few exceptions, like a q9 14-28 Silverwing etc).

Rarity is very important - most of the times only gold drops are worth anything. There are a few purple items of worth (only crysta comes to mind now tbh), but this can be seen on wiki.

Common sense, eh?

Also, people rarely check the PC forum to see if items like the ones they have have been PCed lately. Many a time did I PC an item twice in one day, from 2 different users. Also, checking the wtb and wts forums can help, too - one can see if someone else has sold items like his and see what kind of bids he got etc.

Conclusion? Don't be lazy! A bit of research can provide you with the answer you want, and some more game-related knowledge. Of course, if you still have doubts, then, by all means, post it on the PC forum and someone is bound to answer you. There are items that are hard to PC without solid knowledge of the game's economy, as are most OS items, but a good chunk of the stuff that needs PCing is inscr, so...

Rushin Roulette · Dec 22, 2010, 12:14 PM // 12:14

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Originally Posted by SkyFallsInThunder

Tons of PC requests for stuff that even the merch would think twice before accepting could be avoided if people would research their drops on wiki.

If it drops in many places, then it's a safe bet it's merch fodder.

How it dyes - stuff that dyes well is worth more than stuff that only dyes poorly, or not at all.

Req is important - the higher the req, the lower the price.

Max dmg or armor/en - if it does not have max and req is 9 or greater, it's merch fodder (precious few exceptions, like a q9 14-28 Silverwing etc).

Rarity is very important - most of the times only gold drops are worth anything. There are a few purple items of worth (only crysta comes to mind now tbh), but this can be seen on wiki.

Common sense, eh?

Also, people rarely check the PC forum to see if items like the ones they have have been PCed lately. Many a time did I PC an item twice in one day, from 2 different users. Also, checking the wtb and wts forums can help, too - one can see if someone else has sold items like his and see what kind of bids he got etc.

Conclusion? Don't be lazy! A bit of research can provide you with the answer you want, and some more game-related knowledge. Of course, if you still have doubts, then, by all means, post it on the PC forum and someone is bound to answer you. There are items that are hard to PC without solid knowledge of the game's economy, as are most OS items, but a good chunk of the stuff that needs PCing is inscr, so...

Thats still too vague. There are still too many exceptions to the low requ non max rule (Shields, 20/20 non inscribable staves with maybe 11-21 damage etc.). You see there are always exceptions to any rule (How else would politicians have survived untill now?

).

@TheGizzy Non-Inscribable weapons are often much more worth than inscribable ones. Those Dragon Staves you ignored from the Jades coudl have easily been worth more than any BDS if it were a perfect r9 20/20 Curses for example.

The idea behind that is players are paying for the rarity of the item. The BDS is so expensive because, for some reason players think it makes them look good running around with an anorexic dragon pinned to a stick and that particular staff is a rare drop from just one particular chest. Non-inscribable weapons (Caster weapons for popular skill lines mainly are extremely rare to find in perfect matching (Or even non matching and usefull) combinations. Mostly you will get junk like r10 divine favors + 19% HCT Soul Reapíng which is both non matching, non maxed and completely useless for any build because it requires 2 primary attributes which is impossible.
However, if you get that one r9 Curses Canthan Dragon Staff with 20/20 Curses, then it will easily be more worth than a Bone Dragon Staff.

SkyFallsInThunder · Dec 22, 2010, 12:47 PM // 12:47

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Originally Posted by Rushin Roulette

Thats still too vague.

Very true. Those were meant as some sort of general guidelines, mostly for inscr weapons.

Bottom line, I doubt very much someone has the time/willpower to make and maintain such a thread. Great ideea and it would be very useful, but such an undertaking is... wow.

LapaEugene · Dec 22, 2010, 01:03 PM // 13:03

there are many exeptions, but still enough peoples who are too lazy or not interested to read a big PC thread. i have many experienced ingame friends who just dont want to have a look on guru, they prefer to ask me about some items or simple give them to merchant without any agony... what i finally want to say? pplz who are too lazy to use search tool will keep posting their crap (or not crap, whatever) items in pc-threads, and doing aloooooot of work for 50 normal peoples (sorry about that)?.. im not sure
but it may be just interesting!

jimbo32 · Dec 23, 2010, 03:03 AM // 03:03

As others have said, there's way too much variance between the prices of Canthan/Tyrian uninsc stuff and inscribables to keep a thorough PC list of *every* weapon/shield/offhand. It's just too much work for one person imo.

Here's the new link for the inscribable list that I put together on GuildWiki (originally in response to the thread that Luny linked earlier). It's obviously not intended to be a pure PC sorta thing, but rather a rough guide for inscribable stuff that's worth keeping - and getting a more precise PC for. There's obviously a huge difference between the price of (say) a req9 insc Grinning Recurve and a Silverwing with the same stats, so the PC forum is your friend.

As I said in that earlier thread, anyone who's familiar with prices should feel free to edit the list if they notice something I might've missed. And if anyone feels ambitious enough to attach an approximate price range to any of the items, that's cool too.

As far as Tyrian/Canthan stuff goes, it might be easier for someone to write up something outlining which inherent mods make an item valuable (rather than trying to PC every single item).

Snograt · Dec 23, 2010, 07:27 AM // 07:27

What we need is someone with OCD who's willing to put aside a considerable part of their life to update all those great old price guides.

Not meaning to trivialise that affliction, but that's what it would take.

**cosyfiep** · Dec 23, 2010, 09:26 AM // 09:26

Hey, I am all for anyone who wants to spend the next 5 years of their life trying to get that up and running.....however, it shant be me (I STILL have no idea of the price of weapons....outside of a few skins that I KNOW are rare (and will never see).)
there is just too vast of an amount of weapons to keep track of it all, and then the thread would be of an epic length---
most peeps wont even bother looking thru anything longer than a few lines:

tl,dr.

but anyone wishing to undertake such a task....would be welcome to try.

superraptors · Jan 11, 2011, 02:55 AM // 02:55

umm, non-insciptables in most cases are worth more then inscriptables, a thread for inscriptables from nf and nightfall could limit the amount of crap people need pc for.

LicensedLuny · Jan 11, 2011, 06:01 PM // 18:01

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Originally Posted by superraptors

umm, non-insciptables in most cases are worth more then inscriptables, a thread for inscriptables from nf and nightfall could limit the amount of crap people need pc for.

I mean no offense by this, and I don't mean to pick on superraptors or single him out. But that statement seems incredibly misleading to me. I'd guess there's a MUCH higher percentage of inherent gear that is "merch food" than inscribable gear, simply because so many of the fixed inherent mods that drop are things people don't want and can't change.

I also think folks are likely to have a harder time searching/figuring PC on their own for inherent gear than for inscribable gear.

In June 2010, I asked this section if inherent vs. inscription really did still reasonably raise the value/demand for common, core skins available in both flavors. You might be interested to read some of the replies here.

Short Version

I'm chiming in to warn against any direct or implied statement in a PC guide which reads like, "Inherent gear is usually worth more than inscribable gear." I do not think it's a case of usually at all, and any such statement needs some good context or people who need help with PC will easily misunderstand.

clear · Jan 11, 2011, 07:47 PM // 19:47

If they are posting a worthless item for a PC odds are they won't take the time to search or check a stickied thread lol.

Bright Star Shine · Jan 11, 2011, 08:05 PM // 20:05

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Originally Posted by clear

If they are posting a worthless item for a PC odds are they won't take the time to search or check a stickied thread lol.

Hmmm... Kind of true.. But at least some will, but will the time saved from having to say "merch" be equal or greater than the time put in the new Sticky?

superraptors · Jan 12, 2011, 01:38 AM // 01:38

just saying that inherent gear should always be asked to pc'ed for and a sticky for inscriptable skins from eotn and nf could limit clutter.